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CreativeCommonsDRM-Stephen Downes gets us talking

November 24th, 2006 · 8 Comments
education

UPDATE: Summary of responses so far:

Tarmo Toikkanen‘the non-commercial clause is considered harmful (google for it)’

Stephen Downes – ‘ The reason I use the non-commercial license is that I believe that allowing commercial use will reduce and restrict future use. In other words, I believe that the non-commercial license is the most open. Why? …

Leigh Blackall – ‘Now, I am on the brink of Public Domain myself…

Stephen Downes hit a nerve in his response to my ‘Avoid YouTube if you wanna ReMix and MashUp‘ post – because he challenges my view on minimal restrictions when licensing work with Creative Commons – a view which is heavily influenced by Stephen’s work, particularly his podcasts. He said:

I am not convinced by the comments on Creative Commons – I use a
‘non-commercial’ license on my stuff because I don’t want some company
pulling a Blackboard on it- using it commercially then turning around and claiming it’s their property.

So, lets get the ball rolling with a challenge to Stephen – how do you reconcile these two views you have presented? :

1. ‘prevent some company pulling a Blackboard on it’

2. ‘you have to let go of trying to control future use of your digital (learning object) content’ … ’so that it can be re-mixed and passed forward’

I think Creative Commons has the potential to unlock exponential growth
in the value of the Read/Write cluture, shaped by expressions in the
new languages from digital multimedia ReMix and Mashups – but only if
used skillfully.

Having devoured nearly every podcast published by Stephen in the context of wider reading of Lawrence Lessig and others from their respective knowledge networks, I decided to change my default Creative Commons licensing from ‘Attribution, Non Commercial to ‘Attribution ‘ in the hope that more of my work will be discovered, re-mixed and therefore have a greater chance of surviving as a recognisable part of culture. Let my try to unpack my thinking while we wait for some form of response from Stephen’s network.

Be warned – I want to preface my response by letting you into a personal secret – I am ‘textually challenged’ and always have been. So, if I cant get the words out in text I might just have to share some of my whacky audio/video mashups. That’s why I need help from those of you who are wordsmiths, so we can get this important conversation moving along.

- Digital Natives / Millenials (like my own teenage kids) are beginning to speak in new languages where the words and phrases are replaced by elements made up from copy/paste of any digital media.

- The irrepressible urge for kids to express themselves via these powerful languages is what is driving us toward what Lessig calls reclaiming ‘Read/Write Culture’.

- Legal/Social Reforms are so far behind the internet explosion that nearly all the cool expressions are being driven underground and are technically illegal. Kids are growing up with a view that the law is essentially irrelevant. The growing list of absurd legal scenarios (copyright infringement against 4:33 silence, illegal to sing happy birthday at the zoo, campus downloading propaganda, D.O.P.A. and many more).

- Breaking Creative Commons. Even if Creative Commons were already universally adopted and proven in courts, there exists a hidden potential to re-create the broken-ness that existing music/video DRM (Digital Rights Management) schemes ultimately blocking the free (as in freedom) flow of digital artifacts as they are created, published, downloaded, re-mixed, mashed-up and re-published (or pushed forward). What seems like a benign ‘expression of rights’ when you post your photoshop masterpiece to flickr can turn around and become ‘management of rights’ and just like DRM, break the free flow of your digital creativity.

SO, WE MUST LEARN TO USE CREATIVE COMMONS SKILLFULLY OR RISK SENDING THIS WONDERFUL INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE SAME BONEYARD THAT IS GROWING FROM THE CORPSES OF DEVICES, SYSTEMS AND BUSINESS MODELS FOUNDED ON DRM.

WHY did I remove ‘Non Commercial’ from my default Creative Commons license?

Because I figure the RISK of my digital work never being discovered/re-mixed outweighs the RISK of being ripped-off (cheated out of money I deserve) or having some evil corporation ‘do a blackboard on me’.

I thought long and hard about my previous default ‘Attribution, Non Commercial’ license. The work I did for LearnDog seeks to publish and promote digital work by kids with a view to maximising the recognition for their work as it flows freely (freedom) through the read/write web without creating any impediments to them generating income (not free beer) in the future. My first inclination was to add ‘Share Alike’ to ‘Attribution, Non Commercial’ in what turned out to be a naive attempt to preserve this ‘pure and wholesome’ license regime in perpetuity. We very quickly discovered that ‘Share Alike’ was a barrier preventing work from being re-used in many interesting scenarios that we hadn’t predicted.

KEY IDEA: ALLOW FOR PLEASANT SURPRISES IN UNFORSEEN FUTURE USE CASES. (and deal with unpleasant ones as a fact of life).

So, ‘Attribtion, Non Commercial’ was working just fine until a little iMovie video mashup I made for fun with my kids, ended up being presented at a conference that was definitely commercial. The problem? – I had used many elements that were themselves licensed with ‘Non Commercial’ and it was too late to try and contact the owners to ask for permission. Worse, since I didn’t plan to use this fun mashup as part of my work I was fairly relaxed about checking the license of every single piece of media I used. It turns out that some pieces (ironically machinima I created from a creative commons event in second life) were licensed ‘No Derivatives’ which I suspect means I shouldn’t have used them at all. Sadly, I effectively ’self censored’, this piece of work has not been published and therefore cannot be downloaded, remixed and passed forward. Which is a shame because it contains a section of Downes vs Lessig talking about the precise issues we are grappling with in this post! From now on, Im only going to mashup stuff that satisfies both checkboxes [Search for works I can use for commercial purposes & Search for works I can modify, adapt, or build upon ] on searches like THIS.

MORAL: JUST IGNORE CONTENT THAT IS LICENSED WITH ANYTHING MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN CC:Attribution – when making mash-ups (even if they are just for fun).

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I now publish all my work as Creative Commons ‘Attribution’.

I am even toying with the idea of going Public Domain because I think Stephen Downes is bang on the money when he says ‘let go of trying to control future use’ (of any digital creation). The point of this post is not to try and persuade you that I am right but to start some debate that will help us all sharpen our Creative Commons skills.

Please Discuss

Fang – Mike Seyfang

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8 responses so far ↓

  • 1    Leigh Blackall // Nov 25, 2006 at 7:51 pm

    Well done Mike. You capture and depict my very same experience. When flickr searching for images to use in various projects, I ignore everything but CC By.

    Now, I am on the brink of Public Domain myself. Others making money on my work never bothered me. Having a motivation to be recognised actually bothers me a little – hence my consideration of the Pub. for my work… but then, it is recognition that might be motivating me there – more than altruistic ideas about freedom, culture and ideals… “gosh! LB uses Pub. How cool is he!”

  • 2    Kerry Johnson // Nov 27, 2006 at 4:23 pm

    What about the rights of people who produce a digital work in order to make money? Should they be restricted in what they do so they don’t inadvertently criminalise their target market? If a photographer wants to build up a body of comments about his photos by displaying them on a site like Flickr, if he uses copyright to restrict how those images are used, isn’t that what copyright is for?

    I’ve read several articles and discussions regarding DRM and am concerned that people who want to make money on digital works are being demonised. If I want to create a video using a piece of music that I really like and purchased for the purpose of private use, it makes sense to me that I compensate the artist.

    Do I think it’s right that the song “Happy Birthday to You” – which has become a part of certain Western cultures – should be restricted in its use? I’m not ready to cry out “Hell no!” – despite that being my initial gut reaction. Just because something is widely used and popular (as in use, not in origin) doesn’t mean it should automatically be public domain.

  • 3    mseyfang // Nov 28, 2006 at 10:48 am

    Kerry it would be helpful if you could pose these questions on your blog using the ‘CreativeCommonsDRM’ Tag. I’m certainly not trying to demonise commercial stuff (after all we are talking about my Son’s livelihood here). What is implicit in my thinking is that digital content works best when it is free (dom and beer) and that in the long run business models that embrace this will survive.

    Would love to address the ‘commercial content’ angle over on your blog.

    Fang

  • 4    Beth // Nov 28, 2006 at 11:55 am

    Don’t know when Leigh made his screencast, but back in September, I created a very similar one
    http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2006/09/carnival_of_non.html

  • 5    Bill Kerr // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:47 pm

    hi fang,

    First up, I’m not sure how you legally put your work into the public domain? One reason for Lessig and co introducing the CC license in the first place was that the public domain (in the USA) was being eroded by default. ie. if you doodle on a napkin by default, with registering, this “work” it is your copyright. I’m not certain of the situation in Australia.

    In general I like Stephen Downes approach to these question. However, I’d also prefer to avoid purism in a world where people need money to survive and would suggest that there is a need for human-human negotiation as well as licensing arrangements.

    I would say by using the ‘Attribution, Non Commercial’ license you initially avoid the negative Blackboard scenario. However, if a company wants to then approach you and negotiate the use of your materials commercially then through a human-human process something might be able to be worked out. Although this probably wouldn’t work well in the education department because they are stuck in the Paleonoic era but there might be some hope with some enterprising businesses.

    Cory Doctorow for example sells his scifi novels, distributes them for free on the internet and allows people in Third World countries to make money from them. I think the issue is that Law is limited because humans are so complex, there are always cases and nuances that are not covered by Law even in those cases, possibly rare, when it is well thought out.

    For now, I’m sticking to the ‘Attribution, Non Commercial’ license. Thanks for initiating discussion of an important detail of the CC license.

  • 6    mseyfang // Dec 1, 2006 at 12:28 pm

    Bill – thanks for the detailed and considered comment. I’m glad you appreciate the detailed discussion, that’s the point!

    p.s. Wandered over to your blog and love what I see – subscribed!

    Fang – Mike Seyfang

  • 7    CogDogBlog » Barking » Free and Free and CC // Dec 20, 2006 at 12:17 am

    [...] But recently a blog post and some emails with Beth, and her links to background by Mike Seyfang are opening my eyes that what seemed sensible to me might actually be restrictive on spreading the free stuff – some things with NC licenses fall off of search tools, and Share-Alike apparently gets caught up in some remixes. [...]

  • 8    Learning with the Fang » Blog Archive » Thinking about TALO // Mar 5, 2007 at 8:04 pm

    [...] Like Bill Kerr, I would like to see some discussion on Copyright and Intellectual Property. I’d be happy to elaborate on my little sketches and video mashups and the subsequent discussion on best practice for rights management. I would like to push the discussion toward the boundaries of implementations of giving ‘Attribution’ and the future of Intellectual Property in the flat world. [...]

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