My last few blog posts have hinted at this pattern forming in my brain around the need for a switch of defaults from CLOSED to OPEN in a range of things related to the Web. My frustrating experiences with my wifi enabled mobile phone have been a catalyst for a whole range of related thoughts. Over the next few months I want to share some of these thoughts out loud in this blog, and will try to remember to include the CLOSEDvOPEN tag in the title. With a bit of luck, someone more eloquent than me will see the patterns, describe them better and push this important conversation forward.
Laurel Papworth has already started doing this with relation to my grumblings about FaceBook feeling like a walled garden to me - first HERE and now HERE. It all started with my posting a QUESTION in FaceBook - is FaceBook a Walled Garden? (Which you can answer via my profile).
FaceBook feels very ‘Walled In’ to me because I find myself having to go to FaceBook.com just to find out what’s new. It is the only part of my Web2.0 universe that I cannot manage effectively in my beloved RSS Aggregator. Here are a couple of example thoughts:
- Why is there no orange RSS button for every single item in FaceBook that generates a list. (Especially the ‘MiniFeed’ - hello - a feed without a feed!!) Furthermore, it would be cool if every facebook app automatically inherited this behavior from the underlying platform. Better still, some facebook UI to help manage, mash and remix a growing multitudes of (full not partial) RSS feeds of information flowing out.
- What’s with those teasing e/mail notifications which tell you something has happened, but force me to go to facebook, then click around some to get what should have been delivered via RSS to my aggregator (and sitting inside the e/mail in the first place). Like this one: Mike Seyfang See how Laurel Papworth answered your Question.
- When I joined FaceBook, why did I have to create yet another online identity, profile, then add friends one by one. Why couldn’t I have used my OpenID, said ‘grab my profile information from HayStack, plug into my network of friends from flickr, twitter and mySpace, invite everyone from this OPML file to join me and then start looking for new friends’ inside facebook?.
- Like Dave Slusher, I am pretty much over ‘repeating the work’ of joining the latest shiny new community online. The next one I join will have to leverage some of the work I have done in the past. (You know the meme - standing on the shoulders of Giants).
- and now for the consipracy theory stuff:
- What others are calling the hotel california syndrome - can I really never delete my profile and all associated data?
- what is lurking in those terms and conditions if I make the killer app that really does drive people away from facebooks social graph?
- why did I feel dirty when I created a popfly mashup to pull information out of facebook (what was the fineprint on the T&C’s I accepted on getting my application key?)
Now, Laurel’s first post that I linked to above politely points out the difference a walled garden and a gated community. Fair enough, if Laurel can give me a better handle to describe what I have been banging on about, I will use it (walled garden is overloaded and used too loosely anyway). But, there is a bigger issue than choosing the correct term - Laurel calls it the ‘Web2.0 burst‘ - and I will talk more about that later.
Laurel’s second post claims that FaceBook is NOT a walled garden - bollocks!! It is, is, is and is. She’s wrong and I’m right. Well, sort of. The point she makes is that at the moment there are more ways to get stuff into FaceBook than out of it, but that is beginning to change and likely to swing the other way in the future. She has even created this FaceBook group to keep track of (all 3) applications that pull data out. Now even if people write a squilion more really cool apps, (and the facebook team doesnt do evil things to them) it will probably be too little, too late to prevent the Web2.0 apocalypse that Laurel predicts. Here’s why:
- People will have to do a whole bunch of work to add and configure the apps that provide functionality that should be part of the platform in the first place.
- The work to add all the apps, and the work required to make them perform useful work just contributes to the inevitable atrophy of which Dave Slusher speaks - one day people are just gunna stop because the work of joining all these communitiies actually prevents us from spending more time with those we love (either online or offline).
- Until we see some robust services which enable us to build on the work done in each community we join, and to provide continuity of service when our favourite site goes away (or changes its terms of service, or just goes out of fashion) we are sitting on a time bomb for what Laurel calls the Web 2.0 burst (or bust or boom). Think about it - what will happen when a few key sites with large chunks of our identity, work, fun, portfolio, even lives - goes away.
The antidote to all the evil things mentioned above requires a flip of defaults - from CLOSED to OPEN - which is substantially different to a bit more openness or a few more apps.
Here endeth the lesson.
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Laurel Papworth
// Jul 31, 2007 at 5:56 pm
I wish you had never asked that damned question on Facebook. It’s been haunting my days and nights ever since. I resigned from a senior job with a major telco about 8 years ago because they chose to go down the ‘walled garden’ path and ever since the term ummm excites me mentally spiritually emotionally and intellectually. Well, intellectually anyway :P Back then, I sat in the meeting where two directors were discussing the need for a hardware solution so that members couldn’t change providers, a contract so they can’t leave, a charge for churning (if they do want to move somewhere else) and how to ensure that they understand their content belongs to the company. Yep, resigned. LOL. I wouldn’t now, I’d just walk them through the issues but back then I was… younger. :P I guess I just don’t think the Facebook fellers are that bad - their errors are in oversight and lack of understanding. Remember, when they brought out the feeds in September, the community was in UPROAR - 350,000 members in 48 hours signed the petition to turn it OFF. BTW someone created an app to extract out profile and other info via API, you might want to look into that. But I’m happy to let us differ on whether Facebook is a walled garden/black hole or not. *mutters* s’not s’not s’not. :P
On another note, I listened to that evilgenius poddy you directed me to… but I don’t get the point? As someone who has joined thousands of social networks, I am loyal, faithful and true to but a handful. Serial flirt but monogamous to those few that meet my needs. If a friend tells me they have left my network to join another, I don’t go racing off to join to, I bid them a fond and tearful farewell. If a thousand leave, and join Facebook, ah well, that’s another story. EvilGenius dude doesn’t have to follow Scoble to Facebook, he could just wave farewell. Or did I miss the point? again. :)
I think I DO know what you want - it’s something that has come up time and again over the years. Why can’t I enter my Friends ONCE in a friend app and then use it everytime I create a new ID? Enter my ID information ONCE in an Open ID? Enter my DVD and MUSIC collection ONCE in iTunes or w/e and then subscribe to it when I join a new network. Trust me, everytime I fill in a social network profile, I think the same thing. LOL. It’s hard to see the business model though. Particularly when you are effectively handling over the marketing database to a third party…
On another note, how do you feel about edublogs? I looked at WordPress and particularly WordPress MU a few times… heard good things about edublogs. I just wish they had the Preview Comment addons/modules :P
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Business in the Facebook « Jay Fresh
// Jul 31, 2007 at 7:25 pm
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mseyfang
// Jul 31, 2007 at 7:44 pm
Hey LP, thanks for the history lesson - I had no idea that:
Remember, when they brought out the feeds in September, the community was in UPROAR - 350,000 members in 48 hours signed the petition to turn it OFF.
That explains a lot.
Think you know what I want? Im a greedy bugger, I want it ALL:
Identity2.0 (including OpenID), Profile sharing, MultiMaster replication (with updates) for every network I ever join, RSS on everything, Value Adds to RSS on everything (like the facebook sliders, and Yahoo pipes), Managed services to provide backup / restore / moves of every piece of data I ever create, attention data trading, Open by default everywhere, ‘abundance’ thinking in new business models that thrive on more open exchange and flow - oh and new global legal system and a complete revamp of Intellectual Property laws and culture.
And if I don’t get it ALL, much of the promise of Web2.0 will evaporate.
Edublogs - love it. James is a good guy and if there is a missing widget, make a case and Im sure he will try to incorporate it.
Thanks for the robust conversation - it is stretching me.
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[BLOCKED BY STBV] Blob
// Aug 2, 2007 at 10:48 am
CLOSEDvOPEN: Attitude and Generation gaps…
JP picks up on my “Walled Hearts” post and points to the Generation factor. He writes :
The median age for Too Open is probably Generation X. The median age for Too Closed is probably Generation Y.
Ay, there’s the rub.
It occurred to m…
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