Comments on: CLOSEDvOPEN: FaceBook – Walled Garden or what?

By: [BLOCKED BY STBV] Blob

[BLOCKED BY STBV] Blob — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:18:36 +0000

CLOSEDvOPEN: Attitude and Generation gaps…

JP picks up on my “Walled Hearts” post and points to the Generation factor. He writes :

The median age for Too Open is probably Generation X. The median age for Too Closed is probably Generation Y.

Ay, there’s the rub.
It occurred to m…

By: mseyfang

mseyfang — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:14:29 +0000

Hey LP, thanks for the history lesson – I had no idea that:

Remember, when they brought out the feeds in September, the community was in UPROAR – 350,000 members in 48 hours signed the petition to turn it OFF.

That explains a lot.

Think you know what I want? Im a greedy bugger, I want it ALL:
Identity2.0 (including OpenID), Profile sharing, MultiMaster replication (with updates) for every network I ever join, RSS on everything, Value Adds to RSS on everything (like the facebook sliders, and Yahoo pipes), Managed services to provide backup / restore / moves of every piece of data I ever create, attention data trading, Open by default everywhere, ‘abundance’ thinking in new business models that thrive on more open exchange and flow – oh and new global legal system and a complete revamp of Intellectual Property laws and culture.
And if I don’t get it ALL, much of the promise of Web2.0 will evaporate.

Edublogs – love it. James is a good guy and if there is a missing widget, make a case and Im sure he will try to incorporate it.

Thanks for the robust conversation – it is stretching me.

By: Business in the Facebook « Jay Fresh

Business in the Facebook « Jay Fresh — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:55:11 +0000

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By: Laurel Papworth

Laurel Papworth — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:26:27 +0000

I wish you had never asked that damned question on Facebook. It’s been haunting my days and nights ever since. I resigned from a senior job with a major telco about 8 years ago because they chose to go down the ‘walled garden’ path and ever since the term ummm excites me mentally spiritually emotionally and intellectually. Well, intellectually anyway :P Back then, I sat in the meeting where two directors were discussing the need for a hardware solution so that members couldn’t change providers, a contract so they can’t leave, a charge for churning (if they do want to move somewhere else) and how to ensure that they understand their content belongs to the company. Yep, resigned. LOL. I wouldn’t now, I’d just walk them through the issues but back then I was… younger. :P I guess I just don’t think the Facebook fellers are that bad – their errors are in oversight and lack of understanding. Remember, when they brought out the feeds in September, the community was in UPROAR – 350,000 members in 48 hours signed the petition to turn it OFF. BTW someone created an app to extract out profile and other info via API, you might want to look into that. But I’m happy to let us differ on whether Facebook is a walled garden/black hole or not. *mutters* s’not s’not s’not. :P

On another note, I listened to that evilgenius poddy you directed me to… but I don’t get the point? As someone who has joined thousands of social networks, I am loyal, faithful and true to but a handful. Serial flirt but monogamous to those few that meet my needs. If a friend tells me they have left my network to join another, I don’t go racing off to join to, I bid them a fond and tearful farewell. If a thousand leave, and join Facebook, ah well, that’s another story. EvilGenius dude doesn’t have to follow Scoble to Facebook, he could just wave farewell. Or did I miss the point? again. :)

I think I DO know what you want – it’s something that has come up time and again over the years. Why can’t I enter my Friends ONCE in a friend app and then use it everytime I create a new ID? Enter my ID information ONCE in an Open ID? Enter my DVD and MUSIC collection ONCE in iTunes or w/e and then subscribe to it when I join a new network. Trust me, everytime I fill in a social network profile, I think the same thing. LOL. It’s hard to see the business model though. Particularly when you are effectively handling over the marketing database to a third party…

On another note, how do you feel about edublogs? I looked at WordPress and particularly WordPress MU a few times… heard good things about edublogs. I just wish they had the Preview Comment addons/modules :P